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KyubiNaruto · Jul 09, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

The Honda FCX Clarity is supposed to be Honda's brilliant idea to solving our environmental problems because of the billions of cars releasing pollutions into our atmosphere damaging our ozone layer. But this magical car is able to convert air and hydrogen into electricity then power rest of the car...and in turn it releases harmless water vapor into the air O.O Of course one downside to this is, you would need H2o/Hydrogen stations to power the car....most likely dealerships would have them. By year 2018, Honda FCX's will be mass produced and available to pretty much anyone by then.(Facts from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_fcx & http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/ )

Do you think that this car is the solution to our environmental and energy problems?

Issac · Jul 09, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I'd say its part of the solution, then again not everyone is ganna be buying one. Need a good amount of people to buy these cars to make a difference. And forgot about running it worldwide since water is pretty scarce in most countries these days :S.

KyubiNaruto · Jul 09, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Issac

I'd say its part of the solution, then again not everyone is ganna be buying one. Need a good amount of people to buy these cars to make a difference. And forgot about running it worldwide since water is pretty scarce in most countries these days :S.

See the thing is your not putting water directly into the vehicle....you have to take your car to a dealership equipped with a charging station that pumps Hydrogen and Oxygen separately into the car, not sure if its a 2 Hydrogen to 1 Oxygen ratio but yeah.

Crimson Flame · Jul 10, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by KyubiNaruto

See the thing is your not putting water directly into the vehicle....you have to take your car to a dealership equipped with a charging station that pumps Hydrogen and Oxygen separately into the car, not sure if its a 2 Hydrogen to 1 Oxygen ratio but yeah.

By the time they release that car, assuming it doesn't get scrapped in the next 10 years, who's to say there won't be stations available like gas stations are now? It'd be horribly inconvenient to have to go to the dealership every time you needed a refill.

KyubiNaruto · Jul 10, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Crimson Flame

By the time they release that car, assuming it doesn't get scrapped in the next 10 years, who's to say there won't be stations available like gas stations are now? It'd be horribly inconvenient to have to go to the dealership every time you needed a refill.

Haha yeah it would be inconvenient, I doubt the car would get "scapped", unless we made it further in NiMH battery cars or other alternative energy sources, unfortunately Chevron owns the patent for NiMH technology...

lakatz · Jul 10, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

This has been the recent landscape of hydrogen fueling stations: http://www.fuelcellpartnership.org/fuel-vehl_map.html

However, retail hydrogen fuel pumps are starting to open up in Los Angeles at Shell stations: http://www.kpho.com/2009-cars/16727402/detail.html

So you get in the car, fill it up at the Shell on Wilshire Blvd let's say, and then start a cross country road trip. You get as far as Barstow, stop at a gas station there, and... what? no hydrogen fuel? Now what? lol

KyubiNaruto · Jul 10, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

The Honda Clarity is estimated to be able to go 280 miles on fully charged fuel cells...which is just as good as today cars...and besides if you were going on a Car trip, you'd have everything planned out. And you can still have a car that runs on gas and run short to a gas station, you'd still be stranded until you can get a tow truck :P Honda says that when they start mass-producing they'll also offer Fueling stations for this car at homes to possibly oO

Dragasa · Jul 10, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by KyubiNaruto

it releases harmless water vapor into the air O.O

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

The most important greenhouse gases are:

* water vapor, which causes about 36–70% of the greenhouse effect on Earth.
* carbon dioxide, which causes 9–26%
* methane, which causes 4–9%
* ozone, which causes 3–7%

I'd like to know their projections on the environmental effects of millions of these cars adding more water vapor to the atmosphere.

**cosyfiep** · Jul 10, 2008, 05:08 AM // 05:08

well at least they are looking into getting off the oil standard.
I lived in Nagoya and got to go to the Toyota plant there---they had some really neat ideas for new electric type cars..some of which were on the roads in Japan (the city of Nagoya had a few), we asked when they planned to get them on the road for real and the eta was like 2020...I said I wanted one now...could they deliver it to my home in the usa??? (this was about 4 years ago--wish I really had gotten one..they are sweet....let me find my image--sorry for the size, but it was off of my cell phone I had at the time) they thought I was very funny...I was quite serious....the car is small enough that even in my one car garage I could turn it around without hitting the walls....and I could probably fit 2 of them in it as well!

KyubiNaruto · Jul 10, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Haha, I know for sure that lots of those small Cars roam China and Italy...where fuel prices are highest, and as for the water vapors, even if they make it into our atmosphere, they'll create rain clouds....and the Engineers down at Honda I'm sure will have fine-tuned the hydrogen process so the water vapor & heat will be very limited, compared to the pollutions that cars today emit, I'd say water vapors is a small price to pay.

Winterclaw · Jul 10, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

This car is not going to be the solution to our enviromental problems.

1. The moment it goes into production, enviromentalists are going to be crying "water vapor" pollution.
2. There's the problem of getting the hydrogen, which probably means we are going to increase the demand on our water tables (and in some parts of the US, that would be a problem).
3. In order to get hydrogen from water (which is the cleanest method), you are going to need more energy than you'll recover from burning it, meaning you've got to get the energy from somewhere.

Dragasa, the question is how much is man adding to those gasses and what effect will it have? I heard that over the next 10 years, the earth will be cooling just a little because of changing weather patterns, ocean currents, and lowered sunspot activity. So how do we know that the weather patterns and sunspot activity aren't responsible for all of the warming since the late 70s and people suddenly switched from global cooling to global warming?

Divinitys Creature · Jul 10, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Algae-sourced biodiesel is the answer - you don't need a new infrastructure or new technology it's 30 years old and using corn for the oil is just an elaborate strawman to destroy biodiesel before it has a chance.

Hydrogen cars need a lot of platinum for the fuel cells and that's very expensive. The new infrastructure is expensive. It's a decoy IMHO. But there is some much misinformation out there on the web it's hard to even look into it anymore without finding mountains of confused opinions clouding the issue.

Winterclaw · Jul 11, 2008, 05:32 AM // 05:32

algae-biodiesel

That was the first article I found on it, but it looks promising. It'd take about 3 years at current gas prices to break even, but once it does, it can be dropped down to about $50 a barrel... Not great but better than what we have now.